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Many team leaders and top agents don’t even think about sharing their knowledge for free. But giving without expecting anything in return has unexpected “side effects.” When you are reaching out to people, is pain your selling point? How do you use content to share your knowledge and build credibility? On this episode, we are joined by hosts of the The Grind podcast Jason Harmon & Joey Torkildson.

You have to figure out what you want to sell. Then you figure out what kind of marketing you want to get. -Matt Johnson

Three Things We Learned

Don’t make easing pain your selling point

Many coaches complain that they attract people who wait for too long before they want to invest in their education. They only attract people who are desperate because their lives are falling apart due to their business. The problem arises when coaches don’t figure out how to attract and warn people of the consequences of not being informed enough and not acting sooner.

Recycle the content you already have

For example, if you have a podcast episode, you can break down the episodes into different sections and discuss each one of them individually in blog posts and articles. Creating consistent content might not be the fastest way to get clients, but it helps you grow in the eyes of your database and establish yourself as an expert.

Help people out without expecting anything in return

Helping someone at the right moment with a piece of advice can change the course of their career. There are many ways you can benefit from helping others that go beyond the financial gains, from being remembered and referred to actually becoming their clients months, and even years, after you’ve helped them.

Key Quotes

Write down a list of five people you can go out and powerfully impact by doing something without wanting anything in return. -Greg Mcdaniel

Here is what you see. It’s the iceberg. But underneath what you don’t see is grinding away and doing the calls. -Joey Torkildson

Use two channels to send your message to your audience. These include one that is focused on problem solving and pain points and another that gives a taste of your services without focusing on business-changing strategies. The theory behind this is to attract the attention of both crowds. The first one that is currently facing problems in their business and they trust you to help solve them, and the second crowd that isn’t sure if you have the right answers to their questions but they would like to buy something from you of a smaller value to get an idea of what you are offering.

Guest Bio

Jason Harmon has over 15 years of experience in the real estate industry. He is part of the board of directors at Ronald McDonald House Charities of the Red River Valley. He is also the team leader at FM Team of Keller Williams Inspire Realty and the host of Grind Podcast.

Joey Torkildson is one of the host at the Grind Podcast, where he shares his real estate knowledge and gives advice to his listeners. He is also the CEO of Herg Group North Suburban and a team leader that stays in top 20% of all realtors in Minnesota.

Gene Volpe is the founder of GVI Media and has over 10 years of experience in real estate marketing. With over 200 transactions under his belt, Gene is known as an authority in his field and is often invited to speak at events. You can find more about Gene at

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